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BobY777
09-25-2004, 05:37 PM
Is HomePlug Powerline a low security way to transmit converted ethernet over ac powerlines?

This is also known as BPL (Broadband over power lines) or PLC (Power Line communications).

Ethernet is encoded and put on the powerlines of a hotel.

Then in the hotel rooms a device is used to get the encoded signal off the powerline and converted back to ethernet again.

Yes this is a wired delivery system, which might make it seem safe. BUT...It is also wireless.

This signal is a signal that radiates from the "antenna" power lines. VDSL or CAT 5 are also wired, but they don't also radiate a signal.

Both VDSL and HomePlug Powerline are two different ways to get ethernet to a hotel room.

But I'm suspicious about the security of the HomePlug powerline.

It uses frequencies from around 4 MHz to around 10 Mhz? I might be off some on those frequencies. But they radiate.

As such someone could pick them up on a shortwave receiver and maybe decode them...Not what federal workers want.

So while they might be a low cost way to get ethernet to a hotel room, it sure seems very low security to me (even if encrypted), since it also is wireless at the same time. The AC power wires act like a big antenna.

There is some special encryption going on, but it still can be received, recorded and decoded later. Thats bad if federal workers are at the hotel using PLC.

Thanks

BobY777
09-25-2004, 09:45 PM
I found out one company uses a coupler after the gateway and not a switch.

This looks like all the devices hanging on all the ac wiring are hooked into one big hub (as opposed to a switch).

But I need to learn more about the technology to be sure.

BobY777
09-26-2004, 02:19 AM
I'm educating myself on thie BPL stuff, since I have 3 hotels I have to do proposals for and I know that one of my competitors is offering BPL. The hotel owner doesn't know about all this radiation and interference from BPL.

I found this very interesting link on the ARRL web site regarding interference from Powerline Ethernet...aka HomePlug...and also BPL (Broadband Over Power Line). I think BPL may be the better technological name.

»www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/aud-vid..

I knew there was interference and it radiated so it could be picked up on a radio receiver, but I didn't realize it was this bad.

This video shows BPL outdoors. But the BPL in hotels looks to be the same technology.

Pick the link at the top.

Also from my analysis, it looks like BPL can be more expensive when it feeds access points that are properly hidden up in drop ceilings, since AC power must be put there to deliver the ethernet to each AP.

All that BPL cost (for hotels that want wireless, will be much more expensive then just deploying CAT 5 cable. Plus there is no radiation interference from CAT 5 cable as there is with BPL.

Who is to say what a hacker can do with a BPL signal once he receives it on his HF or VHF radio? So is it really secure?